Kwara history has an indelible memory of Alhaji Lasisi Ayinla Kolawole Jimoh, the septuagenarian word-artist who originated the political mantra, O to ge. L.A.K Jimoh, as he is fondly called had for years squared up to the political dynasty of the Sarakis and its entrenched power, seeking to revolutionize a movement that would set the state free of a family hold.

The trained political scientist and alumnus of University of Lagos sowed the seed of a revolution in 2000. It germinated and grew to become an oak with watering from several like-minded politicians. In 2018, the oak bore the long-sought acorn when the Saraki dynasty was shoved aside by four political tendencies riding on the back of mass support and on the platform of All Progressives Party. But it has become a stark reality that the so-called winning team are far from being of like-mind. If anything, they are politicians of different shades and hues  with also different definitions of success. The  Kwara state APC today is in disarray as the groups fight for its soul. Midlandpost’s duo of Gbolahan Balogun and Rasaq Laaro went on the trail of Alh. L.A.K Jimoh to pry his mind on the turn of events of O to ge and other issues.    

  

You have been silent of recent in spite of the crisis ravaging your party in Kwara State. As the originator of “Otoge” mantra with which your party fought the so-called war of liberation, are you not bothered with the turn of event as we are seeing now in Kwara APC?

Yes, you may be correct that I have not been too publicity vocal in political matters, that does not mean that I have not been talking. Well, at a certain point in time in the development of a person, he has to take a back seat.  Now, l am over 80 years old.  I should not be fighting for space with the under 30s, 40s, may be 60s, we should be at the background, offer suggestions, advice and prayers. So that is why I have not been too publicity vocal. But I am playing my role; my elderly role behind the scene, as much as possible.

 I have been playing my role; an advisory role as an elder of the party, as much as possible, behind the scene. I may not have been publicly vocal, but I have been active as an elder behind the scene.

And thank you for the complement for saying that I am the originator of “Otoge” mantra. God is the originator of all things, but may be in Kwara politics, as you said, I was the first to formally adopt it as campaign slogan. That is the way I want it to be put-that I was the first to adopt Otoge as a campaign slogan in the politics of Kwara State. And I have been using that terminology in different forms. As far back as 2003, my political campaign slogan then, was “It is time for change” so, if  I said it is time for change, I meant it was enough of what we had at that time.  And subsequently,   I have been using that terminology in English. In year 2000 or so, when I issued a leaflet, I concluded that leaflet with “Enough is Enough” That was in the year 2000. Before 2011, when I started using the Yoruba version of ‘Enough is Enough I adopted Otoge.

Now, you are talking of intra-party crisis in the APC where I belong. Nearly all parties have intra-party crises. But maybe I can comment on that of the APC. Well, the intra-party crisis is most unfortunate and absolutely unnecessary. It should not have arisen in the first instance because God in His infinite mercy gave us landslide victory on a platter of gold.

We flushed out the incumbent administration in the state in the general elections; what was generally thought to be impossible. And  when we  embarked  on that  crusade; that  there must  be change,  we too thought  that it was  going to be herculean  task. But it   turned out to be a very simple battle. Never in history,  with modesty, let me  say in the  history of  Kwara, otherwise I would have said in the history of Nigeria, did any opposition arise and  succeeded in complete 100% uprooting  of the  powers  that be. I think with my little knowledge of Nigerian politics that was the first time it would happen. It happened here in Kwara.

 Unfortunately, soon after achieving  that victory, and getting  our government and  party installed as the state government  in Kwara,  that was in  May,2019, crisis  began very unnecessarily. Some people decided to form what they call AA support group, and used that platform, not only to factionalise  APC in the  state, but also to destabilise it. There  is  nothing  wrong in  having forms,  groups, associations within  a party but they must work  in tandem to implore the fortunes of the  party,  not to  destablise  the party.  AA group  started by  circulating  letters,  calling for  signatures  to  remove key officers  of the party, less than  two months  after we formed the  state government.

That was very destabilitising and that is the crisis that has continued since then.  When this started, the group of elders of the party thought that the crisis should be nipped in the bud. And we  assembled, under the  chairmanship of Alhaji Attairu Manko, from  Patigi,  of Kwara North,  and we decided to take  steps to appeal to  governor AA in particular, to please  help to  nip this crisis in the  bud. 

That was in  August, 2019,  that is to show you that although  some of the  elders of  the party have not been publicity vocal  we have not been silent, we have not been oblivious of the  danger which the  intraparty crisis  could constitute.

Is it that the elders in the party did not do enough because the crisis persists till today?

Yes, we did our best, we met the governor, and had a very elaborate and extensive discussion with him. As a  result  of that  meeting, it became  necessary for us to  see some other  leaders  of the  party whose names came up during  the dialogue  with the governor, particularly, the Honourable Minister, Alhaji Lai Mohammed, State Chairman of the Party, Alhaji  Bashir  Omolaja Bolarinwa. Again we met the two of them separately, each of them also had a long story to tell. We told the three of them, the governor, the minister and the state chairman that we were not outsider to the party. We were part and parcel of the ‘Otoge struggle. We were deeply involved in the electioneering campaign process. We told them we knew everything that happened. The stories they told us- we said yes we know. You know whoever is going to tell you stories about his or her involvement would want to say something that would favour him or her.  We said yes, we know what the truth is and what is lie; what each and every one of them told us.  But that was immaterial. Those things were pre-election matters.

Despite those pre-election problems. We achieved a landslide victory, so let us put that behind us and join hands together to have a government   we would be proud of. That was what was important.  If you dislodge an administration, people will have very high expectations of you, so they will be watching, expecting to have a much better life than they had during the previous administrations and, if we are not united, there will be no concentration on governance. There will be unnecessary distractions and crisis.  This was the position of the party elders. That is not to say that where it was necessary to apportion blames, we did not do so.

Why is the problem intractable, is it about second term  agenda of the governor as some are saying?

That is not quite true. The crisis predated the election in 2019. We made efforts to kill the crisis, we had audience with the governor, who then was the candidate of the party. We had audience with the Minister of Information, and the chairman, Bolarinwa, pleading that we must work together. We must eschew pettiness and may be selfishness. We pleaded with ourselves. Do you know that we made several efforts to reach the national secretariat of the party, about the crisis, to appeal to them? Then, Adam Oshiomole was the national chairman.

We did not succeed to get audience with him. When we could not get audience, we went to Lagos to meet the Asiwaju, Bola Tinubu. That was in November, 2018 to plead that they should intervene in this crisis. Asiwaju  Tinubu was a  critical  factor in the  emergence  of all these three personalities. That is the truth of the matter- whether the state chairman, Minister or the gubernatorial candidate. So we had to go to Lagos to meet him, a five  or six man  delegation, I was there, Late Dr. Amuda Aluko was there,  Senator  Mohammed Ahmed  was there and, I think, Alhaji Ndakene  was there. Just about five or six of us. We went and pleaded with Asiwaju, to please help us to nip the crisis in the bud because a lot of discontents from the primary had its own dimension. Then, friction  in the  relationship between  the minister  and the  gubernatorial candidate,  between the  minister  and the state chairman started;  even  before  the election.

Asiwaju promised to do something. When the crisis did not quench, we went to Abuja and had audience with the Vice President, Prof. Osinbajo. We met him on Dec. 24th 2018, on eve of Christmas, and we were with him till about 10pm that night.

He left the venue of the meeting straight to the airport, because he had a church programme in Lagos.

Our mission was for him to please help us to reconcile these personalities- the aggrieved aspirants who lost during the primary. We made some suggestions to appease the aggrieved aspirants and in fairness to them, they promised to do something and they did.  It was as a result of that our discussion that the application fees paid by the aspirants, particularly the gubernatorial aspirants and some others were returned to them. This is to show how long the crisis had started and what efforts we have been making.

  But unfortunately, the Vice President promised us that he would see the National Secretariat of the Party; he would brief the presidency and they would take action to try to reconcile these personalities. But unfortunately, that was not done till the election. But we succeeded in pacifying ourselves. We said, look, whatever has happened put it aside. These people must go. We cannot say ‘Otoge’ and fail, for how long will we be saying ‘Otoge’ and it does not “otoge” So we put behind us, all the wrangling and worked together to win and we won.

 What is your reaction to the allegations and counter allegations over campaign funds between the Governor and information minister?

 Let me ask you, do you think that there is propriety in discussing campaign funds on the pages of newspapers or radio? You know in our system, in some  other  climes,  it may  be different  but in  our own system  here, a lot of  people do  donate money to political parties behind  the scene, unannounced  and who would not  even want to be known  to have done so. That is the truth of the matter; that is the reality on the ground.

Secondly, all political parties in Nigeria, do spend money. I don’t want to say that it is illegal, you know, to promote the electioneering campaigns and ensure they have the upper hand.  Do you expect such would be announced and discussed on the radio and pages of newspapers? Whatever they said they have between themselves should not have gone to the pages of newspapers. They should not have gone to the radio. There should be internal mechanism to deal with that, because the party’s constitution has internal mechanism provisions for internal disagreements. Has anyone of them gone to the national secretariat to make such complaints? If they did, has the national secretariat ever made such complaints public? So I don’t want to talk about that. It is a disservice to the party in the state what they have done in respect of the campaign fund’s issue. Although I know a lot about the campaign funds, but it is not something I will tell you.

 Is your party so comfortable that it thinks it cannot loose Kwara again with the crisis on ground?

Nobody knows tomorrow. Nobody can say for sure what will happen tomorrow, so you cannot say are we so certain we cannot loose election no nobody can be certain on that. But what is certain is the idiom, united we stand, divided we fall. That is my answer to you on that.

Are You satisfied with the present development of Kwara vis avis your aspiration for the State?

Well, I don’t know whether satisfaction is the appropriate word to use.  But I think if is on whether  the government  is  performing, forget  about satisfaction because it  will differ  from one person  to the other; one interest  group to the  other. On whether the Governor is performing, yes of course. The state government is performing. It is trying. It now depends on how well government is performing. It is trying. But are we performing optimally, are we performing maximally based on   available resources. All I can say is that the government would have performed much better, much more than it is doing if there were no crises. Of course I have said earlier, united we stand, divided we fall.

Earlier on, I said the crisis is an unnecessary distraction.  Wherever there is distraction, you cannot perform optimally not to talk of maximally. The crisis is a hindrance to performance. In fact, when there is crisis and disunity there will be either under-utilization, or mal-utilization of available resources. Sometimes,  you  divert  the funds  or resources  which would  have  been used for development  to promote  or  pursue  crisis.

So you cannot have maximal performance, not even optimal. So, the administration is being made to perform below capacity. I am not saying satisfactorily or not satisfactorily, but the administration is being made inevitably to perform below capacity because of the crisis.

 And any way out?

Of course, there will always be a way out, and the way out is to end the crisis. If you end the crisis, all other things will flow. May you ask how do we end the crisis?

 Then how do you think the party can end the crisis?

It is very easy to end the crisis. Eschew selfishness. Once you remove selfishness, and you have the overall interest of the state at heart. You will make sacrifice. There must be give and take in any human society; in any human group, there must be give and take. People who worked would expect to reap the fruit of their labour. Exclusion would cause crisis. So we should have an all-inclusive situation. But you see, there are three sets of people who would never allow the crisis to end, or who would not let crisis end easily.  The people who deliberately caused the crisis; they have a motive. So, as long as that motive is there, they won’t want the crisis to end. People  who gained  eminence  because  of the  crisis; may be  somebody  who was an unknown  quantity, but because  of the crisis,  has become  known. As the Yorubas would say: Taani mo Okolo l’Oyo. Sugbon won mo Okolo lOyo nigba to t’ina bo aafin Alaafin. So, Okolo became known. Those who are feeding fat also on the crisis would not want it to end. And I can assure you that we have these sets of people in this our internal crisis.  That is why the things is protracted. 

Why can’t the party elders identify the three sets of people in  the crisis and do something about them

I am an elder and I have told  you they exist. We have been making moves since 2018,   not only internally, here in the state, but also going to Lagos, Abuja and  talking to ourselves. Some of the  brains  behind the  crisis  can also  qualify  to be elders and  that is why  I said  united we stand,  divided  we fall. The fact is we are divided. It is that division we need to remove and the thing is getting worse and worse. As far as I am concerned,  our failure  to reconcile before  going for the last ward congresses is a terrible  mistake.

 Any Implication?

I say  it is a  terrible mistake,  because  if you go to the congress to form the executive  of the  party- like you may have seen while  monitoring the process-  that there  were parallel congresses. Parallel lines mean parallels that can never meet. Should we get to that point? We should not. It will now become even more difficult to make parallel lines become curves, than when the lines were together. So that is why I said the thing is even becoming worse. But I still believe the national secretariat of the party should have done much more about this crisis than they have done so far. May be they should have taken a different approach.  I told them this at the National secretariat. It was  when we could not succeed to see them, that we had to  go to Lagos to see Asiwaju Tinubu it was  because the  national Secretariat  was not  forthcoming that we want  to see the  Vice President.

 Don’t you think  the tendencies, at the  national level are  manifesting  in Kwara Crisis

The crisis in Kwara is not as a result of tendencies. It started as personality clashes, not tendencies at all, you know.  But we have now been factionalised. You know Kwara APC was also formed by four tendencies. But you may now find two or three tendencies in one group and you may find members of those tendencies in the other group.  It is not compartmentalised on the basis of previous tendencies, not to the best of my knowledge.

But I think we can still get out of it  if the national secretariat  does  the right  thing. I think the national secretariat needs to do more to ensure mutual confidence and love. The state chapter of the party has been incapacitated so it is the national.  What national should do is not to take one side, align with one side, no, they are all your children. I think  it is the  national now that needs to  change  its  attitude  to the Kwara crisis.

 Your take on the  cancellation  of Durbar over  security  concerns by Kwara Government, more so when some individuals insinuated Saraki’s factor in the botched event

Let me say straightaway that the governor by the 1999 constitution as amended, is the chief security officer, of the state and his jurisdiction covers every inch of the state.  To that extent, if he feels that will threaten the security of the state, whether sectionally, or globally, he has the right to take action to stop such a situation from developing.

He has the right to do that. Equally, the Durbar is an Ilorin affair, to the extent that Ilorin is part of the state and more importantly, to the extent, that Ilorin is the state capital. The governor has a duty to ensure that there is security. What those insinuators are telling us by their statement is that Saraki would have caused trouble if that event took place.  Why are they saying it is Saraki factor that caused the cancellation of the Durbar event?

I don’t think Saraki factor has anything to do with the cancellation of the Durbar ceremony. Supposing people came to kidnap at such a gathering. The situation can get out of hand at any time. Hoodlums can seize the opportunity of such gathering to cause trouble and before you know it, it could get out of hand. So the government must have its reason.

But I say  procedurally, they were wrong to have allowed the  state government  to announce the  cancellation instead  of the Emir. That is my  own on that.

You must have followed the Ondo State election judgment by the Supreme Court. What do think could be the implication for APC?

As you know l am not a lawyer.  I cannot  talk too much  on the legal implication of the judgment. But I am a Nigerian, I am a member of APC. The judgment in Ondo was between the Governor and the contestant from the other side. The Supreme  court in its wisdom  ruled to say that  there was  no merit  in the  appeal  that  came to it by the PDP candidate.

However, the  minority  group talked   about the  implication of having  somebody  who is  a sitting  governor  occupying the  seat of the   National  chairman  of the party. The 1999 constitution  of Nigeria as amended  clearly states  that the governor  cannot  hold any executive or paid  employment  in any capacity  whatsoever  during tenure of his governorship. The APC constitution  also clearly  says that  any officer of the  party  who takes  up appointment  in the  government  automatically loses his or her  position  as an officer of the  party.

So the  Supreme  Court’s  minority  judgment  is drawing the attention of the party to those  provisions, asking them  to note  that it  could be injurious to them in the future if nothing is done  about it.  That is how I as a layman will interpret the judgment. It is a warming and to be fore-warned is to be fore-armed. They are forewarning the APC, the controversy is therefore unnecessary. What they should have done is to summon a meeting of its think tank to look at the judgment to know if the warning and the impending danger is real and what to do next. No need to argue.  They are only telling you to watch if and you need is to go and look it and forestall the danger ahead.

If you have to sacrifice some interests now to protect the overall interest  of the party, why quarrel   over  that. So, that is my own  position on it.

 What are your words to the party elders to stop the APC crisis  in the state?

I have already said it is the national that needs to do the needful. The needful is not to threaten that whosoever did parallel congress will be expelled, or punished. How many people do you want to punish? What will be  left? Let us  look at the result  of the  last general election which we had in the state.

Look  at the  official result  published  by INEC  and  see how many votes APC had in the gubernatorial  and how many  votes PDP had. I can assure you mathematically that if  APC loses 30 percent  of  the votes it had then to PDP, then PDP will become  the winner. Go and  look at it mathematically. This is what  we are telling  people.  We won  all the  seats,  that is true,  but go and  look at the margins.  How many votes did APC have overall? How many votes  did the PDP gubernatorial candidate have  during that  election? Remove 30 percent from what APC had and add it to what PDP had and  you will see that PDP will become  the majority. l am  talking  authoritatively.  That is what we should look at and, that  is what we are telling them.

 

Or we are telling ourselves that this things is much more than  what they  are  looking at the  surface. We cannot  afford to  lose 30 percent of our votes.  And that takes  us to  the recent revalidation and re-registration of members.  I have heard people day  they registered about 500,000 APC members in the  Gubernatorial election, the total  vote of  APC plus the  total  votes of  PDP was not up to  500,000 so how can you now say APC  alone has  registered  500,000 members, I mean we are  deceiving  people and  everybody  in buying it. PDP Votes  plus APC votes in  the last gubernatorial  election which brought Governor Abudlrahaman Abdulrazaq to power  was up to  500,000. I am talking authoritatively. APC had about 300 thousand  plus and  PDP had over  100,000 plus  making the total  to be less  than 500,000. So how can anyone of the two parties  say they  have registered  500,000 members. Did we register  the PDP members plus our own  members?

 Any Regret for being  part of  Otoge struggle?

I have no regret  for being  part of  Otoge struggle. In spite  of whatever that is happening  now, the  victory  of Otoge  is a lesson to all sides. And  it’s  a blessing to all sides.  One, to  those of us who  championed  the cause,  it is a lesson to us that  nothing is impossible if the  will is there and the wherewithal  is  also there; that you can  achieve anything.

They thought  it was impossible  to uproot Saraki dynasty in Kwara,  which  we did. It is a   lesson  to Saraki  people,  that nothing  is impossible. Besides that, no condition is permanent  Don’t think  because  you have money, you  have this and that so nothing can happen to you. We have all learnt that lesson. We have also learnt  the lesson  that people are watching whatever we are doing,  and that the ultimate  power is  with the  people,  not in us, not in the  money we  are  spending. It is  in the people; how the   people  perceive us. The essence of governance  is to  provide welfare  and security; what  the political  scientists call  the social  contract with  the people. We will  give you our loyalty,  support and  everything,  provided you will guarantee our welfare  and  security. If you don’t in a democracy, the peoples’ power  is in the ballot box. It  is a blessing  to all  of us  because  those who  are there  today,  if they  are wise, must be  conscious of that day- that  just as they flushed  out Saraki dynasty, they can also flush us out if we don’t do what we' re  supposed  to do in the interest  of the people  who put us there.

Because of that lesson, I feel fulfilled because all of  us  now know that you cannot take  Kwara  for a ride anymore. We have so  sensitized  Kwarans that if you take  them for granted, you will regret it. That  is  enough, even if that is  the only thing we   have achieved. You can no longer  put a rope round the  neck of  Kwarans and  begin to drug them and they will follow you, no. We have passed  that stage.  We have redeemed  our people.  The redemption  which  late Aminu Kano  wanted  to do, we have done it  in Kwara. We have liberated our  people  both  intellectually and  physically. They now know  how to fight for their  rights without injuring anybody physically; the Ghandi philosophy. That  is enough. Then you cannot expect that the moment a new  administration  gets  there, it will clear all the  mess of yesterday  and begin to  do what  government is expected  to do 100 percent at a go. No, it is a  process,  and gradual process. It could be  slow, it could be fast,  but we pray that is should be fast, not  slow and  steady  but fast  and steady  because the  body and  mouth is dry.

           

 

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